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1 -  many costumes:  

I would like to see everyone with the combo (VH + DW) or (VH + Icarus Wing) or (kages+wings) (Naruto Bandagens)

there are a few reasons to want to see gears, like knowing when to wear wind ele etc, but it's really hard to see what's happening in the game and the sprites are just really ugly so I'm a big fan of having a bunch of costumes

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I prefer it as it was before, and that this accessory did not exist, the damage will be less for everyone, and whoever has it the "cards" will benefit.

This really isn't a viable option with something as impactful as EDP. It's in our best interest to make it possible for newer players to have an impact in pvp, having them do literally half the damage of other players bc they don't own sinxc is just bad game design. I think it's fine to put MOT on a card tho tbh

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3 - (don't) Remove the "gold" room: me and some friends really like to stay there, killing Pecos while listening to music.

this was a very nostalgic room from our "DARKRO" that you want to remove.

It might be nostalgic, but that doesn't make it good. It's the reason the cost of items went to the trillions and completely walled out new players. Having no gold room is pretty necessary to have a healthy economy. We have a weak gold room here and we already have way too much zeny with nothing to spend it on lol

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4 - the game has to be a little easier to get the items because nowadays everyone has little time to play

I think they already did a really good job of doing this here - many players had +9/10 VMs in the first week of the server being open. It's SUPER easy to get gear here. I actually want it to be harder to get +9/+10 so we have reason to grind for gears lol. This also goes back to the gold room thing - if gear is easy to get and so is zeny, we end up with worthless gear and billions of zeny to spend on nothing

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Here's another suggestion, please add staffs, the ones who engage in the community as they should be the people who build a harmonious community. I only see staffs/GMs in WOEs but not in the community. 🙂

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4 hours ago, Arrow said:

Here's another suggestion, please add staffs, the ones who engage in the community as they should be the people who build a harmonious community. I only see staffs/GMs in WOEs but not in the community. 🙂

i volunteer Chady as tribute

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NO WIPE... thats GOOD NEWS!!!!!! Lets Start a serious ADVERTISEMENT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

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On 7/21/2020 at 8:43 PM, Dazzu said:

If we attempt to balance the economy, we won't be deleting anyone's items. Most of the changes will be affecting certain features of the server itself. The current existing items, such as Thanatos Card, refined equipments, etc. will not be directly impacted.

Quoting as I think replies after this actually missed the fact that this exist.

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On 7/23/2020 at 11:47 AM, Tsuki said:

Quoting as I think replies after this actually missed the fact that this exist.

To clarify, the quote says "If we attempt to balance the economy." It leaves wipe on the table should that attempt be unsuccessful.
I don't think discussing pros/cons of wiping means that everyone involved thinks "OH NO A WIPE IS HAPPENING!" In my opinion, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the impact of a wipe even if it is the last resort. Basically arguing whether it should even be considered as a last resort, even if there are other options to exhaust before we get to it. Most seem to agree on the economy changes and such, so I think it's just a given that the prime discussion topic will be the possibility of a wipe since it's the only real point of contention.

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5 hours ago, Hildeblue said:

To clarify, the quote says "If we attempt to balance the economy." It leaves wipe on the table should that attempt be unsuccessful.
I don't think discussing pros/cons of wiping means that everyone involved thinks "OH NO A WIPE IS HAPPENING!" In my opinion, it's perfectly reasonable to discuss the impact of a wipe even if it is the last resort. Basically arguing whether it should even be considered as a last resort, even if there are other options to exhaust before we get to it. Most seem to agree on the economy changes and such, so I think it's just a given that the prime discussion topic will be the possibility of a wipe since it's the only real point of contention.

That's true. While the reality of a potential wipe is on the horizon, it is and will only be done as a last resort. Steps have been made to improve the longevity of the game by slightly slowing the insane quickness of progression, as well as more fixes and general tweaks coming to the main game. While these fixes are going to slowly start to regulate the economy, the problem still persists with the sheer amount of highly refined items out there. 

The tl;dr of what happened was: During Beta, everything was going great.. However, when everyone learned there would be a wipe after beta to transition to the main game, they decided to stop playing and wait for the servers actual release. Therefore, the amount of items we thought they got in the entire month was actually in the first week or so, thereby giving us the impression that gear progression was a lot slower than it actually was. 

Now for the facts of the matter. In the long-run, a wipe would be much healthier for the server. It would help get rid of most of the problem that is plaguing the economy, and therefore start to actually generate one among the players. After the initial changes, there would be a new market where players would be using zeny/credits to purchase items from other players, rather than everyone opting to buy with cash points/xivpoints and the like, since they already possess everything they need for end-game gear.  

For the opposite side of the spectrum, not wiping would be more beneficial to the players rather than the server as a whole. It is completely understandable in the sense that nobody wants to lose their items. It doesn't matter how hard or easy it was to obtain them; nobody wants that-- Players or Staff. 

IF this were to go through, this would most likely be the only wipe to ever happen. You all already know that Dazzu cares about each and every one of you because of how hard he worked replacing the items lost during that server crash a while back. He spent countless hours making sure everyone was attended to. He wouldn't be suggesting a wipe unless it was absolutely necessary; and it isn't, yet. We are still floating ideas around of exactly how we're going about this, but rest assured, the best and most reasonable course of action will be taken to make sure that any damage (if any at all) is minimal at best. IF the wipe were to happen, everyone active would be compensated accordingly, and be given a fair head-start when the transition to DarkRO happens. 

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I saw this happening and is one of the reasons why I slowed down, lost interest and actually went inactive for quite some time.

However, what disappoints me most is the change from "Oh yes, we actually meant it to be that way so it wouldn't be "GRINDY" and people would actually have time to do something else, rather than grinding all day." to "Well nothing was set in stone, we fucked up, so let us wipe all your progression which you invested time, sweat and blood in so we can name ourselves DarkRO." 

The former being what was exactly said and I believe people would back me up when I say it is, and the latter being the statement after you've secured the old domain.

And since I was told not to share the information that I was given to prevent insider leaks. I leave you with this while you're exploring your options and before you implement the changes:

Half will without doubt not work. The math is ridiculous, it would only end up the same as the ones you implemented before and nerfed/changed later on. Some were clever ideas, but some weren't given much thought to. Implementing those would only upset the present players still and will give new comers a hellish time. That's if they would even prefer to come here. You're only gonna end up losing whatever players you have left soon, and would probably just push through with the wipe. 

One of the points you are missing: 

We don't care if the economy gets drunk, wrap its sorry ass to a tree and then explode due to its non-existensial crisis.

However, I will not dismiss the points that does deserve compliment

I've seen a lot of changes when it came to PvP that would've taken a year for the old DarkRO to implement perhaps just one or two of those. You've taken MvP hunting to a new level although it wasn't really everyone's cup of tea.

And even though I was with you people and hardly ever against anything that was implemented until recently, it is with a heavy heart that I'm gonna be frank with you all, this isn't gonna work out by simply riding on the name "DarkRO" as you hope it would. 

 

 

P.S. by all means, criticize, butcher everything stated above. I no longer give a fuck. I'm sitting this one out.

P.P.S. xiv/darkro = 0, rebirth = -4(went up 1 point)

Cheers.

 

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Also no amount of compensation would suffice for the amount of hours we've put in since day 1. 

 

I double posted, ban me.

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I personally believe that putting the economy on hold since the server's launch was a bad idea. That's why we, "Kaboom" party didn't sell a single LHZc (before implementing LHZ npc) since we didn't see a single thing that will be equally worth to the "hunted and hard earned" lhz cards.

 

5 hours ago, Tsuki said:

Also no amount of compensation would suffice for the amount of hours we've put in since day 1. 

Up for this.

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Things I wanted to say before knowing whats really up..

The thing is there's already an existing problem that needed attention that always gets pushed over. 


And that's Advertising and Retention. We kept focusing on the things that're recently implemented or to be implemented neglecting existing problems.
Sure some we're addressed like what, LHZ Competition? XIV Points MVP Hoarding? Heck those weren't even supposed to be prioritized over the balancing of classes.
I stopped playing cause I didnt see any stabilization yet or any solid ground to stand with. The fluctuation of implementations seemed like they didn't support each other thus leading to the idea of having a Wipe. Which is not even a thing to consider as a last resort. I've even thrown myself to be part of the team when Events Recruitment happened but I guess I didn't pass since I didn't  get a message after a few days. Boii I would've boosted the spirit even by a bit, no doubt.

There was a point in the game that almost everyone was satisfied already and the only thing lacking was more players to help, pk, hunt, woe with. 
To be more honest I don't even know the current state of the server since I stopped but reading all the stuff here and on discord gave me the idea of how low we are now considering people talking about the wipe. People dming me on discord if its really happening, like hell I had no idea it came to that.




DarkRO is DarkRO and people shouldve let go of it a long time ago.
XIV is something you also wanted and grasped at some point and wouldve accomplished and proudly say you've founded.
In the end, as nothing still has been set on stone, its either XIV or Dark, wiped or not. I'll be where you'll be, if its still worth it.
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I'm going to intervene quickly to state one last point, since everyone apparently is using the name change to DarkRO as a gambit. 

We we're always the next iteration of DarkRO. Even in the discord, when you joined (had you joined before beta was over), it was "DarkRO: Reborn". It was changed to xiv as a placeholder when Rebirth started their own campaign soon after. The process to obtain the name was started long before the server even went into beta. The only reason we weren't named DarkRO right out of the gate was the fact that Matias had to send resources, and Maurice had to legally entitle us to the rights. 

Us changing our name to dark isn't a gamble. It's the same direction that it has always been headed. This discussion on the forums has nothing to do with the name, yet people take it as the driving force for the decisions being made. This forum was made as a discussion about the potential change. It is not a forum to flame about the name of the server, nor the implications of the aforementioned change.  I believe the confusion comes from the fact that Jedi and Sith were said to be coming with the name, but that's merely accompanying the legacy it holds. 

I hope the thread takes a turn towards the direction of discussion from here. 

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It's quite unfortunate that the intention being shown is different from the message being sent.

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@Yura, we get it. It's as simple as it is but if Reborn/XIV was really supposed be the next iteration of Dark then as it has been implemented it should've been a like with where its going. Cause if you look at it now, as Dazzu implied, its a complication if you merge the two. Its either the voice of the community or whatever the administration chooses.

Why dont you guys lay out the possibilities here. What are the choices we have? What are the things you have been considering? Let us know. 
Cause as far as people understand, there is going to be a Wipe with either DarkRO's db or XIV's. DarkRO has its sentimental drama and XIV had its grinding moments. Both hard to let go.
I'm not speaking for myself. Lastly, its not about the name but its about the time invested in that whatever name. And what flame about the name? The only flame I can consider here is if I address Shank's comments.

13 hours ago, Yura said:

This forum was made as a discussion about the potential change.

  

On 7/22/2020 at 10:15 AM, Dazzu said:

XIVRO will eventually turn into DarkRO. Given DarkRO's src code, it won't be feasible to use that as our base engine. We're essentially going to integrate bits and pieces of DarkRO's code into XIVRO's source code.


As I have said before, you will have my support. Yet a decision has to be made soon so we'll know what to expect. 

16 hours ago, Chady said:

I'll be where you'll be, if its still worth it.


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Looks like I forgot to turn off notifications to this thread (been receiving emails). Might as well share my thoughts.

The lengthy post can be summed up with one simple question, "Will they accept the *changes?"
"they" isn't limited to us but to past DarkRO players as well.

It seems simple but the fact that it's in *plural form is what made it difficult. There's really a lot to take on, and I can't really answer them myself. I know DarkRO died since 2016 (last update iirc) but I think they should also have a say on this. I don't know how but we all know where some of them are currently *cough* rebirth *cough*. Having heard from both servers could help on what will be your decision.

And to be honest, I think it's fair that this should also be posted on DarkRO Forums, even though it's currently down. But really, someone should spread this to them and ask to share their thoughts as well. I know some of you guys are on their new discord server, it doesn't hurt to ask is it?

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2 minutes ago, Theta said:

Looks like I forgot to turn off notifications to this thread (been receiving emails). Might as well share my thoughts.

The lengthy post can be summed up with one simple question, "Will they accept the *changes?"
"they" isn't limited to us but to past DarkRO players as well.

It seems simple but the fact that it's in *plural form is what made it difficult. There's really a lot to take on, and I can't really answer them myself. I know DarkRO died since 2016 (last update iirc) but I think they should also have a say on this. I don't know how but we all know where some of them are currently *cough* rebirth *cough*. Having heard from both servers could help on what will be your decision.

And to be honest, I think it's fair that this should also be posted on DarkRO Forums, even though it's currently down. But really, someone should spread this to them and ask to share their thoughts as well. I know some of you guys are on their new discord server, it doesn't hurt to ask is it?

I agree, that whole community deserves to know. Being left out like that and now this. Is this becoming bigger and bigger? 😅
The fact that Maurice and Matias reached out. It's like meeting a parent after disappearing for years. 
(To be more honest, their opinion doesnt matter 😄 they just deserve to know mehehe.)

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Let's face it, XIV and DarkRO aren't even close nor show any relation with each other. If we are to transition to the old name, it would most likely confuse people as a ton of mechanic changed starting with MvP hunting down to crafting. 

And I call BS on this: 

13 hours ago, Yura said:

Us changing our name to dark isn't a gamble.

It is a gamble. People would be expecting the gameplay to be the same as it was in the old days but imagine hunting for a card and being ambushed by a doppelganger that's been on XIV steroids. Every bit from the topic here is a gamble. 

There's a difference between XIV transitioning into Dark and Dark being integrated into XIV as beside from both server being Pre-Renewal the difference is night and day.  And as funny as it is, Rebirth is doing a lot better than I expected this server would despite the dirty tactic they pulled prior to their launch and all their drama. Mind you, I'm not adlibbing for Rebirth, I haven't even installed the thing since my Windows Defender denied it.

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3 hours ago, Theta said:

I know DarkRO died since 2016 (last update iirc) but I think they should also have a say on this.

It might sound selfish, but I disagree. They're likely to say yes just so we won't have a head start on them, we already know they dgaf about having a healthy economy (i mean, they play rebirth) so that won't actually motivate their decision, and they have no reason to care about the time we've spent and the items we have. Why would they ever say no?

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Well I have to interfere once more since I'm being quoted out of context. I'll try to be clear so it can't happen again. 

Us switching our name to DarkRO is not a gamble. It's not a gamble to that we're doing in order to appeal to more players. It's not a final gambit where we're putting all of our cards on the table. It has nothing to do with advertising to a wider player-base. It's simply what was going to happen from the very beginning. 

The reason that this topic has spiraled completely off course is because people are associating the timing of whats happening as the root of the pre-planned change to our name. As I stated in my previous post, our name was already in the process of becoming DarkRO since before the beta. The discord name was even DarkRO:Reborn. The only reason that it was changed was because Rebirth took the idea and started running with it. However, that doesn't mean it was permanent. If we're throwing this specific term around, then the name DarkRO "was set in stone". 

What this forum thread is about is the database. That is it. Not the name. Not the implication of changing it to obtain players. Nothing of the sort. When the thread was started, it was stated that the database is going to be transferred along with the name change. That is the only point of contention within this thread. When it comes to the old DarkRO, its contents will be archived. We aren't combining servers, or joining forces or however it might be seen. The plan is to simply pick ours up, and move it over there (Insert Patrick Meme Here). The thread was made because of the current economy; It's not what we want for Dark (as once again stated in the first post). This is us being as transparent as possible because we care about the game. 

This is where we stand as of now. Maurice has given us his blessing, and we wish to continue the legacy of DarkRO. We have finalized obtaining the legal rights to the server name DarkRO, which was the original plan-- And it still is as of now. The name change would also welcome the addition of Jedi/Sith as well as a horde of new weapons, skills and items. There are plans in place that are smoothing out the game in terms of currencies, crafting and shopping. The problem is the current broken economy. That's all. If we want to talk about the name DarkRO and what that name alone means, I would welcome you to create a new thread to discuss it there. This thread is about the database and the transfer. 

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Alright, I think everyone is going a bit ham due to some recent news. (Which is understandable.) I'll be honest I skimmed through most of the posts here but I can tell the back and forths were just recycling the same thing. I'll give some insight to what is going on because everyone is panicking. 

1. Thank you to everyone who has sticked with us through the good and bad times. 

2. We're not going to blow up the server. 

3. Staff has been a little bit inactive for the past month due to personal issues but we're active now again. (My PC blew up recently though so I will be MIA on game at least) We will be a lot more organized once things are settled. 

4. We will have some drastic changes within the game for better progression pacing as well as slowly adding new content that will give more life to progressing. (Relic Weapons, Relic Garments) 

5. XIVRO is DarkRO now it always has been. XIVRO was just a placeholder name until we officially obtained the properties from the original Founder Momo and Matias. Where we are now is where DarkRO would've been or even further if we had full access to the server. 

6. Website, Logo, Patcher, will soon be released as well as massive advertising of the server. We didn't try to advertise as much due to the lack of a decent website etc. 

7. Soon we will also be working to transfer everything over to the 2018 client as well. 

8. We have a lot of content to add still but it will take time. We'll be more thorough as well. Instead of updating every 2 weeks we will probably do it every 3-4 weeks or maybe even longer depending on the content. Maybe we can even set up a timeline for the year of what we're going to be working on. 

Hopefully this addresses most of everyone's concerns and I'm probably missing some things but at the end of the day we're doing this for server. The server will be online probably for the rest of our life time so there's no need to worry or not if the server is going to die. If you guys feel like I'm missing anything feel free to ask any questions. 

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5 hours ago, Prank said:

6. Website, Logo, Patcher, will soon be released as well as massive advertising of the server. We didn't try to advertise as much due to the lack of a decent website etc. 

My only real gripe with the server was the (to me) appalling lack of interest on acquiring new players. Iroha has a lot of thoughts about this. But since Yura has already clarified thoroughly that we were meant to be the continuation of DarkRO (and was just waiting on the blessings of Maurice & Matias), then it makes perfect sense now the lack of advertising. 

I believe in the administration that's why I started playing and supporting this server so the rest of the points of contention I have nothing more to offer.

However, the promise of actually advertising the server and vigorously acquiring new players must be upheld. At least this much is owed to everyone who has continued supporting the server. Iroha had good ideas on how to advertise the server and I'm sure others as well. That would be a start.  

 

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Of course populating our server is going to be a big priority. I think everyone in general wants to play with more players because it'll be more fun interacting with more people. Having a big population in general can carry a server alone and a good example of that is DarkRO:Rebirth although the server is seriously lacking in terms of content, the player base keeps it alive.

Unfortunately our Facebook alongside my Facebook account was banned recently and that made me depressed for the past couple of weeks. It sucks because I put a lot of my time and effort into that group and personally I talked to probably 70% of the server population one on one and recruited them to play the server.

So along side with losing a lot of time I also lost my Facebook account connected with other people I talked to in my personal life which I cannot contact anymore. Hopefully it will be resolved within a few weeks but knowing how long it's taken so far it won't be for awhile. 

Anyways the plan for advertising would probably be something like this. 

1. Paid advertising on RMS

2. Make a bunch of reddit posts on the Raganorok Online reddit

3. Try to reclaim or create a new Facebook Group and posting on various Facebook groups (There's about 14 groups I know this because I use to make a post about server to them everyday and that's how I got banned for some reason they didn't explain but that's how it happened smh)

4. Pay for Facebook advertisement

5. Find influencers(someone with a big following) or streamers to play our server or stream in general

6. Getting everyone just to review us on RMS for better ranking

7. Probably find a way to utilize the vote websites

Yes, we want to do all of this but before we do I'd rather have our website, logo, and patcher to be done first before executing the plan. It sucks because corona stopped a lot of our past commission works and it put literally everything on hold or canceled altogether which is why we don't have a decent setup for everything yet.

But we've recently got into contact with Haziel and he will help us out now. Hopefully if everything plays out fine then I'm confident that the server will be good enough to attract players to play for a long time.

Hopefully this gives more insight and if not keep asking! 

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1 hour ago, Prank said:

populating our server is going to be a big priority. 

Most of the current players have been crying out loud for this for almost 2 months. 

 

3 hours ago, Prank said:

Instead of updating every 2 weeks we will probably do it every 3-4 weeks or maybe even longer depending on the content.

Adding more content without an increase in the number of players will just be wasted. For example, battlegrounds, it really is a great content but since the server don't have enough players to participate in it (even if you only need 6 participants in most of the game modes), it will just be ignored. And 3-4 weeks of waiting will make the players grow tired of waiting tbh. 

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